Cooked gun statistics

February 17, 2018

There’s an old saying attributed to Mark Twain or Benjamin Disraeli, that there are three kinds of lies: “Lies, damned lies and statistics.” One damnably dishonest statistic that’s being quoted far and wide in the media in the wake of the tragic school shooting in Florida is a claim by the pro-gun control group “Everytown for Gun Safety” that there have been 291 school shootings in America since 2013.

The claim seems suspicious on the face of it, considering that it works out to an average of about one school shooting every six days for five straight years. But after Conservative Tribune examined what the group counts as “school shootings,” then…all suspicions were confirmed.

If you were compiling a list of “school shootings,” would you count, for instance, a report of someone firing a pistol into the air in the parking lot of an adult college? How about a legally-owned weapon accidentally discharging in the glove compartment of a school staffer’s car in the parking lot? Or an officer’s holstered weapon firing into the floor during a tussle with a violent student he was trying to remove from class?


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Sadly, there are real school shootings, and they require real solutions. They shouldn’t be diminished with cooked stats designed to promote a political agenda that would have no real effect.

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  • LeaAnn Doss

    02/22/2018 09:57 AM

    I don't usually respond or have comments, but I love reading your newsletters and this one touches close to home for me. I watched the President yesterday with the families of victims of various school shootings. It was heartbreaking. My son has an app that he created while he was working in an IT department at one of our area schools. It is an intruder alert called LokDown. I am not giving you this information to try and make money for him or help him sell his app. I am telling you only because I felt convicted to reach out and pass any information along that could possibly be another layer of safety for schools in and around the US. He is a one man business and has shared this with schools over the last 4 years and is signing up one school at a time. Each time one of these school shootings happens, he gets bombarded with calls, emails and people contacting him via his website. He has worked with Charlie Davis, one of our representatives in Missouri and has been to the State Capital in Alabama. It was supposed to go statewide in AL, but frankly they didn't have the money to go statewide. You can google LOKDOWN (and yes to his mother's dismay that is how he wanted to spell it). IT is a system that basically allows teachers to respond to an intruder alert using any electronic device and it reports that response to administrators, an appointed crisis team and any and all law enforcement that the school has chosen to be in their system. It is the first notification in most cases before 911 even gets called. It cuts the response time down considerably and allows administrators to know what teachers and students are safe and if no response from certain teachers, what area the intruder is most likely in. I can't do it justice here, but if this is something you have time to look into and think it could help in any way, please take the time to google it and/or reach out to Charlie Davis or Tommy Hanes of AL and others who are familiar with this app. It provides other services such as Medical Alerts, Evacuation notifications and more. I am not trying to drum up business and have not even told my son I am reaching out to you. I just am so passionate about this app and what it has done for our schools in our area. If it can be used in anyway to help others and we can get the word out faster than one school at a time, then I wanted to put that out there for someone to see. Thanks so much for listening. I so respect you and your daughter and all you are doing to help make America Great again.

  • Kenneth Nicholson

    02/20/2018 09:24 PM

    If all guns are eliminated, what will be used as a weapon then. Automobiles into crowds like terrorist are doing. Then we eliminate autos. Home made bombs which can kill even more. The real problems are ignored and will continue until addressed.

  • Steve Herring

    02/20/2018 08:09 PM

    It is unfortunate that our culture has become one that is very nearsighted, among a whole host of other problems. While I am in no way minimizing any loss of life, why are we not concerned about properly securing our kids to try to prevent this from happening, instead of feigning rage when it does? The methods of the abortion "doctor" has left this nation with over 54million lives that could have been productive. Any rage there? No, just pathetic silence. They can't board a bus to protest, stand in silent protest or cry for the loss of their friends. It's time for us to get back to thinking a little deeper than our self righteousness to try to actually address the disease instead of chasing after symptoms. It's not any man-made device that's the problem, it's all about the heart

  • Regina Street

    02/19/2018 02:04 PM

    There is more to this problems then guns. In the next few years there is going to be a sizeable number of kids entering the school systems with problems caused by drug addicted mothers. These problems are numerous such as learning disabilities, inability to cope with normal stressors, and interrelationships problems. This will be aggregated by bullying by other students who have no moral compass. I don't know the background of the adoption of Nicholas Cruz and his birth mother but I'll bet there were issues.

  • Kevin Cook

    02/18/2018 04:28 PM

    Crooked Hellary Crooked DNC Corrupt Hussein and Enemedia so why not Crooked gun stats

  • Patricia A. McMahon

    02/18/2018 03:37 PM

    Writing more anti-gun legislation really won't do any good. Look at Chicago; they have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. It is my sincere belief that if that brave coach who gave his life in Florida had been allowed to carry his licensed weapon on the school campus; there would have been a better out come. There are 'bad actors' every where. IF A LICENSED INDIVIDUAL who has been trained by law enforcement was on college or school campuses WITH a licensed weapon; they would be safer.
    I don't mean any Tom, Dick, or Harry. I'm talking about someone who is a Veteran or a volunteer who is TRAINED by law enforcement to be sure they know what they are doing. That JROTC Cadet
    seemed to have a good head on his shoulders to help keep his fellow students safe. JROTC Cadets could be involved in school shooting prevention scenarios as leaders to keep students safe.
    Another law won't really do any good--It's been against the law "Thou shall NOT Kill"; since the beginning of time. Let's enforce the laws we have.

  • Susan Dyar

    02/18/2018 12:28 PM

    I read an article that the AR 15 seems to be the weapon of choice because these mass shootings are copycat killings and there are more powerful weapons out there. I have wondered for a long time why anyone other than military or law enforcement needs any weapon with magazines. Since this latest school shooting, I’m having a problem with the AR 15 and definitely magazines for any kind of gun to the public. There were enough red flags on this shooter that he should have been stopped if local law enforcement and the FBI had worked together. Anybody that mentions school shootings should be at the top of the list and brought in for investigation or just plain arrested. I believe in the right to bear arms but not anything that shoots a multitude of rounds. Get out and practice, if you can’t nail a deer in six rounds or scare off an intruder in six rounds, forget it.

  • Forest Myers

    02/18/2018 11:19 AM

    Mike, I enjoy your messages and consider them my most accurate from of information. I do have some problem the the the links to read more. I often get a server error message instead of the full story. It is something that you might want your help to address. Thanks, Forest

  • Vickie Fiorentino

    02/18/2018 09:14 AM

    Blame the media, the LEFT and the parents that have NO IDEA what their children are exposed to on the internet...With the past 2 decades of violent movies, video games, u-tube, etc...What are the parents really raising other than killers? Responsibility...GOD & prayer back in schools.

  • Ethel L. Cenkner

    02/18/2018 02:25 AM

    More gun control is NOT the answer. When there is a problem student and he is suspended for bad behavior--his parents
    should immediately be notified or if no parents, he should be watched by police or whoever to see what the student is doing
    with his free time. Maybe the principal should be given the names, make a list --and let's have some of the troublemakers be
    watched in case they may have some other ideas. Unruly students should NOT be ignored.

  • Floyd Kimmel

    02/18/2018 01:36 AM

    Mike
    Another law on the books won't do much good, banning the AR 15 won't stop the mass sin hootings there are to many on the
    Street now. And I wonder how many get sold in the dark alley by bargain Barry. As far as common sense gun law goes here
    In PA we get a local check by PA state police PICS system for criminal charges and involuntary commitment to mental hospital.
    Court ordered hospital commitment get sent to state police. Then we get checked by National database. When I went for my CCW
    The Sheriff did the background checks all over again. And it took 4 weeks. You should check the PA PICS out seems a lot in PA
    Government like the system.

  • Floyd Kimmel

    02/18/2018 01:36 AM

    Mike
    Another law on the books won't do much good, banning the AR 15 won't stop the mass sin hootings there are to many on the
    Street now. And I wonder how many get sold in the dark alley by bargain Barry. As far as common sense gun law goes here
    In PA we get a local check by PA state police PICS system for criminal charges and involuntary commitment to mental hospital.
    Court ordered hospital commitment get sent to state police. Then we get checked by National database. When I went for my CCW
    The Sheriff did the background checks all over again. And it took 4 weeks. You should check the PA PICS out seems a lot in PA
    Government like the system.

  • Charles M

    02/18/2018 01:19 AM

    Anyone have any idea what the FBI does while on duty? They have dismissed the seemingly obvious "tips" whether Boston, San Bernardino, Orlando, or this Parkland shooting. Even the Rep. Scalise shooting. Isn't that their job to prevent disasters instead of showing up after the fact to give media interviews along with the Governor? We know about the ones at the top spending the workday texting with their "paramours" or playing political games, but the ones at the bottom we are told are the white hats always protecting us from the black hats. Everything is corrupt. Not just the FBI, either. What about the local cops in Parkland - a small town with supposedly 39 service calls regarding young Cruz? He had to be a known commodity at that rate, especially since he couldn't be arrested.

  • Sarah Buntin

    02/17/2018 09:00 PM

    (1st) We need to put God and Prayer back in the Schools, Non Christians will balk at this, but they need to ask themselves, when did all these school shootings begin? Right after, we removed God and Prayer from our schools. Our Children are no longer protected, by a Power Greater than Us. Gun laws aren't the answer. Just makes people mad, and It would give criminals all the power, because they don't get guns legally.
    (2nd) When we were kids, people did a lot more hunting for food. We were all taught how to use a gun, to respect the power of the gun, and to respect all persons around the gun. Never Point A Gun At A Person. I do believe everyone, should be taught gun safety, There should be Gun Safety Classes in schools, beings that most parents don't teach their children Gun Safety any more. (PS) That would keep a would be shooters at bay.
    (3rd) Guns are needed for our own safety, I like the saying, My house is protected by God and My Gun, if you come in uninvited, You will meet BOTH.

  • Bob W

    02/17/2018 08:04 PM

    Mike (if I may be so bold)
    Here is a setting to oppose the current opposition to guns.
    Have an expert schedule a session before a Joint Session of Congress.
    Coordination with security to bring an SR-15, a magazine and a box of ammo.
    At the time, the expert enters, hands the weapon, magazine and ammo to the security personnel. who place them on a table in front of the speaker's podium.
    Proceeds with the talk or Q%A session. At then end, the expert asks "How many in the audience were wounded or killed by the weapon?"
    I expect a lot of looks back and forth among the members.
    Finally, the expert states "None!" Guns do not need to be controlled - people do!!!!!

  • Mike Wiedemer

    02/17/2018 07:40 PM

    It is odd that Everytown missed the tens of millions of recent school shootings by the over two thousand rifle, pistol, skeet and trap teams at U.S. high schools and colleges.

  • Nancy Shepard

    02/17/2018 07:21 PM

    I know pointing out grammatical goofs annoy some people, because they think it’s unimportant, but in this case it kinda makes a big difference where ya put that pesky hyphen. There’s a significant difference between a

    pro-gun control group
    and a
    pro gun-control group.

    Just thinking it matters:)

  • amos kalicharan

    02/17/2018 06:31 PM

    Due to the number of people killed because of the FBI's failure to follow up on tips that they received may be instead of trying to ban guns the FBI should be banned.
    Did Comey make notes of his conversations with Obama as he did with Trump
    Victims and their families should be able to sue law makers of sanctuary cities and its employees who do not enforce Federal laws which result in their being killed or harmed.
    Judges who do not rule according to law but politically should be penalized and removed from the bench after about three such judgement

  • Richard Singletary

    02/17/2018 06:01 PM

    www.crtv.com has a picture of ted cruz: the headline reads republicans are to the left of Obama!!! if u watch the video it explains again the established communists democrats and the jewish haters called establish republicans again have turned on the 3 million supporters of levin tv now crtv. please don't cut down a tree and nail Daniel E, horowitz to it. I willing to adopt a pure jewish 5 year old if the know what sex they are, if their parents are deceased. Usa is so anti Christ ronald reagan and thomas jefferson would have jobs outside usa borders.

    TIME USA RETURN TO PURITY!!!

  • Richard Singletary

    02/17/2018 05:47 PM

    www.crtv.com has a picture of ted cruz: the headline reads republicans are to the left of Obama!!! if u watch the video it explains again the established communists democrats and the jewish haters called establish republicans again have turned on the 3 million supporters of levin tv now crtv. please don't cut down a tree and nail Daniel E, horowitz to it. I willing to adopt a pure jewish 5 year old if the know what sex they are, if their parents are deceased. Usa is so anti Christ ronald reagan and thomas jefferson would have jobs outside usa borders.

  • Dieter Fischer

    02/17/2018 05:39 PM

    It would not surprise that statistics were distorted to make a point. However, following the Stoneman High tragedy, I would urge your government to do all it can, even if it's a politically unpopular move, to do all it can to stop the senseless killing with guns.

  • EJ White

    02/17/2018 04:52 PM

    We need Morality, empathy, and to stop desensitizing our youth to killing (Graphic Video Games)... The CIA wanted to get our youth ready to fight a foreign enemy but they didn't think (or care) about the fallout.... Video games encourage "in-house" violence against police and innocent bystanders... They've created a monster that will take generations to correct...

  • Joseph Behrendt

    02/17/2018 04:08 PM

    Sadly this is the Democratic Party of today. They have no platform anymore just an agenda. They have no facts so they make them up and as for statistics they take a number out of the air and then find unrelated gun incidents to add in to prove their false narrative to their own uneducated voters who chant their false statistics. We must not forget the fake news media that has disgraced the very meaning of journalism to become nothing more than propaganda out lets for the Democratic Party. This is why they lost and took their lose so hard, the same fake news stories from their very own fake journalists were so convincing that they believed the fake news reports even after they were proven wrong. This is the Democratic way of life today ,don't question just believe. There have been many dictators in this world who have said the same things and look how they ended up.

  • Firewagon

    02/17/2018 04:01 PM

    These "school shootings" are a scourge on America! All anyone does, especially those, with no solution except another gun law, on the left is bemoan "addressing" the problem. Note, addressing the "gun violence" problem, not the underlying problem/s! As your friends and mine, Billy and Franklin Graham, would suggest, unless and until Americans experience a change of heart, mind, and soul, this carnage will continue. You rarely hear anyone offer these dangerously scary statistics as reasons for America's continuing cultural decline: Positive responses are at record highs for the moral acceptability of birth control (91 percent), divorce (73 percent), sex between an unmarried man and woman (69 percent), homosexual relations (63 percent), out-of-wedlock birth (62 percent), abortion (43 percent), pornography (36 percent). And, more relevant statistics for the carnage we are reaping: In 1960, barely 2 percent of all American children, from all racial and ethnic backgrounds, lived with a never married parent. By 2008, 41 percent of black children, 18 percent of Hispanic children, and 7 percent of white children lived in a home with an unmarried parent.

    Over this same period of time, from 1960 to 2008, the percentage of white adults that are married dropped from 74 percent to 56 percent, Hispanic adults from 72 percent to 50 percent, and black adults from 61 percent to 32 percent. Since that “legislating from the bench” SCOTUS decree in ’73, Americans have killed the equivalent of entire populations of several ‘countries’ through abortion - 61 million and counting.

    Return with me to the days of yesteryear, the '50s and early '60s! I'll take those "bad ole days," every day, over the carnage of these newer "good old days."

  • Samuel Smith

    02/17/2018 03:44 PM

    There is not much more that can be said by you and all those who have left a comment. Yet the one thing that comes to mind when I was growing up : " If you tell a lie long enough you eventually believe it your self."

  • scott shattuck

    02/17/2018 02:55 PM

    If you were compiling a list of “school shootings,” would you count, for instance....

    a report of someone firing a pistol into the air in the parking lot of an adult college?

    Of course. School shootings doesn't just mean this instance. We're trying to protect schools. We also include private, public, and religious schools together. You're making an artificial separation out of convenience.

    How about a legally-owned weapon accidentally discharging in the glove compartment of a school staffer’s car in the parking lot?

    Definitely. This really bolsters the gun control argument since no guns doesn't mean no murder, but it does mean no accidental deaths and more survivors of suicide attempts. Why does the GOP and NRA lobby fight all safety regulations like locks/safes when that isn't a prohibition on guns? An engine block saved a child. The next one can be saved by a law requiring a gun be locked if it's in your glove compartment. That also helps the gun stores because they sell locks and safes...but the manufacturers will block any measure before it gets out of committee in Congress.

    Or an officer’s holstered weapon firing into the floor during a tussle with a violent student he was trying to remove from class?

    Yes, an agent of the government fired a gun. This again bolsters the idea of more protections against accidents. We need to always be looking for a gun accident rate of 0, which requires protections. If the student is unarmed, should the first cop in leave their gun in the car? Or should we maybe go back to the idea of having two cops in one car, with traffic violations being less of the shift? I don't actually know how to prevent it, but I do know Mike Huckabee is paid to make sure it's never discussed on the floor in Congress.

    But that's the whole problem...there are two bad arguments. We somehow either need to arm teachers or ban one model of gun. The rest of us out are hoping to find solutions, but Huck-a-buck is paid specifically to cloud the issue and bring it back to the same two bad arguments. Part of that is parsing down the arguments so he can spin them back into the current talking points.

    When are we going to demand organic, believable politics from people like Huck-a-buck? This whole insular, unempathetic thing the right and left has going is the problem, not that people can't figure out solutions that might help. The fight pays for the Congressmen, pundits, and media, not the solutions. Once you solve a problem, they lose a story.

  • patrick McRedmond

    02/17/2018 02:13 PM

    Maybe some of the investigators who have been searching for Russian collusion should have been
    investigating Nicholas Cruz , the Parkland Fla school shooter instead.

  • Marie Simmons

    02/17/2018 01:38 PM

    Why are there assault weapons available to just anyone? I think they should be removed from the market and only issued to the military.

  • Steve Hillenberg

    02/17/2018 12:48 PM

    Mike, why not give us the real statistics, instead of simply pointing out the flawed data? From the everytownresearch.org website, specifically the "School shootings in America" appendix, their data shows 95 "attacks on other persons resulting in injury or death" between 2013 and 2015. Of these, about 42 occurred at elementary, middle, or high schools. IF these basic statistics can be believed, this is at least one shooting about every month. This is still a serious problem. And, apparently, the FBI is too busy investigating Russian collusion to investigate tips about school shooters.

  • rodney burke

    02/17/2018 12:33 PM

    another case in point, some cretin said there had been 18 school shootings since Jan 1. Ben Shapiro shot that down as a blatant lie and pointed out like you. most were discharges and no one was hurt. time to keep hammering these out and out liars and make them PROVE each incident. But then we cannot expect honesty and truth from such sources as CNN and MSNBC. They don't know what truth is.

  • Douglas Tankersley

    02/17/2018 11:50 AM

    Mike, I can't believe the constant attack on the second amendment.We have a problem because we took God out of our schools we have to many absent father's, People don't have conversations anymore they text and not one gun law would stop this . Look at Timothy Mcvae, and the trucks used to kill in France. It's frustrating to see Americans willing to give up there rights.

  • Allen M Swatsworth

    02/17/2018 11:39 AM

    Governor Huckabee, Love all your articles and read them all. I was interested in the article "#1 Item purchased with EBT cards." However, when I clicked the link it gave me an error. Could you please update so we can get the real story as to why the Democrats don't like the Presidents proposal.

    Thanks,
    Allen M Swatsworth

  • BETTE ANDERSON

    02/17/2018 10:52 AM

    Everyone is horrified about the school shooting.My prayers are with all involved. My comment is what about the shooter and his cry for help for years and apparently no one listened? He didn't hide his desires. The kids knew. Where were the adults? I have heard nothing about his life or family. Yes, the F.B.I. failed us but our whole system failed him also.

  • Ronald Beattie

    02/17/2018 10:50 AM

    schools need 2 man guard teams. all doors lock to outside. only 1 way in and need to be beep in.

  • Thomas Douglas Roper

    02/17/2018 10:37 AM

    Yes, to accurately list stats to taunt your gun control concerns you should ONLY include shooting involving deaths. Especially those of student on student shootings whether the former is a expelled o hir attending student.

  • Kara Cavaness

    02/17/2018 09:58 AM

    The so called gun shootings are nothing but a lie, some were accidental shootings while some were suicides by 1 individual. I am not saying that those did not matter as they did but they were not school shootings. We need to change the gun free zones into gun zones where a lot of the staff are carrying and they can then protect the kids! Gun control laws go against the constitution. Chicago and NyC are gun free and you can see how good that is working out for them!

  • Michael Egbert

    02/17/2018 09:57 AM

    I am a retired police officer (Houston Texas) and something I've noticed about all this screaming for gun control is that it gets loudest when its emotionally charged after a shooting incident occurs such as the recent incident in Florida. Knee jerk reactions to push for immediate legislation usually ends up causing more damage than it cures. Guns don't kill people, the person with their finger on the trigger kills people. That's what should be the issue. The PERSON with the gun, not gun control. For instance, how could an 18 or 19 year old purchase an AR-15, legally, in Florida in the first place? Perhaps raising the legal age to purchase a firearm (25?) and perhaps a mandatory completion of a gun safety course which includes a background check (both criminal and mental), fingerprinting and with annual updates every couple of years - if anything comes up later in additional background checks then possible appropriate action could be taken at that time - (actual classroom instruction, not an internet course, with a certified instructor) before being allowed to purchase and/or obtain a firearm would be a more viable solution than simply "gun control" which has been proven not to work. Periodic background checks each time a gun safety course is renewed/refreshed could, theoretically, be a much better deterrent to keep firearms out of the hands of people who should never have one. As an example; John Doe at age 25 successfully completes a gun safety course and passes a background check and is issued a permit/license (with expiration date) to obtain a firearm. Later, while experimenting with drugs or alcohol he develops mental issues requiring treatment in a mental health facility. One day he decides he wants an additional firearm, his permit/license expired or its time for refresher course in gun safety - without another background check for the renewal, the mental issues of John Doe would go unnoticed and he would be allowed another firearm. Mental AND criminal histories should be included in a background check.

  • Joseph Romano

    02/17/2018 09:56 AM

    That's a really nice photo of you, Governor! Keep up the good work! We met and talked briefly twice in NYC years ago when you had your show on FNC! I was the guy who mentioned "Footsie" Britt to you!

  • Carolyn Tedrick

    02/17/2018 09:56 AM

    With all the info you providedI say this"that is why I don"t listen to the media at all,I get my news by you Rush ,Hannity and Levin". Keep up the good work !

  • Ken Strong

    02/17/2018 09:50 AM

    Mike, couldn't agree more! P.S., love your TV show!

  • Stephen Russell

    02/17/2018 09:39 AM

    school shootings: Id examine these stats on shootings:
    Since TX Tower, 1966:
    How many shooters "loners", ex vets, on Psych RX
    How did they acess guns?
    Who supplied them the guns.
    Were they "brainwashed" for shootings?? CIA? NSA? Other
    Bad Home life??
    Bad schooling prior shooting.
    Personality issues.
    Under stress?
    etc.
    To ID Lone shooters on our midst alone
    & have Uniform Gun Laws.
    Apply for alls states thus Shooter Cruz could NOT acess said rifle in any state since he didnt meet any Requirements IE Prior threats made, felonies, etc on file, Make Uniform for all states OR it wont end

  • Alan C. Fitzgerald

    02/17/2018 09:38 AM

    What happened to the info about #1 thing purchased with EBT cards! It won't display! I'm guessing someone??? doesn't want that information out! It is probably beer!
    ACF

  • Joseph Haddakin

    02/17/2018 09:33 AM

    What a great picture!

  • Danny Robinson

    02/17/2018 09:19 AM

    Why don't schools put magnatomiters at there gates. It works at airports and many public places

  • Dorothy Bloomer

    02/17/2018 09:18 AM

    I agree. The same statistical engine that showed President Trump losing. I question all "statistics" due to extreme political bias.