February 18, 2019

Cue Scott Pelley: “Former acting [FBI] Director Andrew McCabe is about to describe behind-the-scenes chaos in 2017 after President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey. In the days that followed, McCabe says that law enforcement officials discussed whether to secretly record a conversation with the President and whether Mr. Trump could be removed from office through invoking the 25th Amendment.”

Well, there it is, right on 60 MINUTES: evidence of the “bloodless coup” that has seemed apparent for about two years to those paying attention. McCabe is being investigated for lying to his own FBI colleagues who were conducting a probe into media leaks, and he may be shading the truth about this as well, but we get a pretty good idea of what was going on at the FBI. These were people overstepping their bounds for the purpose of taking down the President of the United States.

Oh, but Pelley still made it about Trump, implying that Trump’s behavior sparked this madness and asking McCabe, with deadly seriousness, “Are you saying that the President is in league with the Russians?” McCabe is a lifelong Republican, Pelley noted, who had “a sterling 21-year career at the FBI, serving as head of counterterrorism and number two under Comey.” The implication: how could someone as reputable as this be caught up in misdeeds at the FBI unless he was driven to it by this President?

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On camera, McCabe said people at the FBI were disheartened by Comey’s firing because he was so well respected. (Hard to see why, as Hillary would certainly have fired him herself if she had won, probably as her first act in office.) McCabe described a meeting he’d had with Trump in the Oval Office shortly after Comey’s firing, which under the circumstances we will have to take with many, many grains of salt. I won’t recount those details here, but you can see the entire 60 MINUTES segment here if you missed it:

It was ridiculous for McCabe to cast suspicion on Trump for perhaps getting elected “with the aid of the government of Russia, our most formidable adversary on the world stage.” It certainly fit 60 MINUTES’ preferred narrative, but that group at the FBI had learned from Bruce Ohr that the Steele “dossier” was unverified political campaign dirt and that there was (to use Peter Strzok’s words) “no there there.” But McCabe still earnestly insisted, “If we failed to open an investigation...we wouldn’t be doing our job.”

McCabe also repeated the story that Trump had asked Comey to drop the investigation into former National Security Advisor Gen. Michael Flynn. Again, according to Comey’s own words, that’s not what happened. In his notes (the ones he leaked), Comey had paraphrased Trump to say something like, “I hope you can see your way clear to going easy on Flynn --- he’s a good guy.” That is NOT obstruction. Obstruction would have been something like, “Flynn’s a good guy --- I’m telling you as President to drop it and leave him alone.”

Here’s a quick refresher on McCabe, outlined by Jason Chaffetz Sunday night on THE NEXT REVOLUTION with Steve Hilton: A year ago, the Inspector General put out a 39-page report “essentially highlighting, detailing, four times that he lied to federal authorities, three times while under oath.” Chaffetz doesn’t believe “a word this guy says.” He also asserts that by relating details of a secondhand conversation –- the President’s briefing on North Korea –- McCabe knowingly shared classified information “and should be prosecuted for this.”

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During his interview, McCabe called the special counsel investigation “one of the most important efforts underway right now.” Chris Buskirk, publisher of AMERICAN GREATNESS (great website), wasn’t surprised that he said that, in that McCabe is one of the cadre of people at the FBI and DOJ who staked their careers on removing this President from office in any way they could, even “using the secret police.” He believes that the FBI investigation into Trump was a cover-up for what they were doing during the campaign to help Hillary with the Fusion GPS “dossier.” They were, according to Buskirk (and, well, me) “the henchmen for the Clinton campaign.”


And, yes, we’re still seeing the two-tier justice system. As Chaffetz reminds us, the Inspector General, in a 39-page report “with lots of evidence,” reported that McCabe lied repeatedly, including under oath, but McCabe has yet to be indicted a year later, even though George Papadopoulos, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort from the Trump side have been prosecuted for the same crime. McCabe has plenty of company among liars on his side of the aisle –- most notably James Comey, John Brennan and Hillary Clinton –-and those people have so far evaded indictment.


For what it’s worth, McCabe offered more details about the Rosenstein-offering-to-wear-a-wire story. “He [Rosenstein] said, ‘I never get searched when I go into the White House, I can easily wear a recording device, they wouldn’t know it was there,” McCabe told Pelley. “Now, he was not joking, he was absolutely serious, and, in fact, he brought it up in the next meeting we had.” McCabe said he never really considered taking him up on it, though he did discuss it with his general counsel and his “leadership team back at the FBI.” (Again, this sounds as though it might have been the meeting Lisa Page texted about, in “Andy’s office. Or maybe that was a different meeting about saving America from Trump; who knows?) He did say his general counsel had told him that doing this was “a bridge too far; we’re not there yet.”




As I listened to this interview, one big question for me was, “How does Rosenstein still have his job? He certainly seemed obsessed with getting the President out of HIS job, by recording him and also by trying to get enough Cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment. (We’ve also just learned that former top FBI attorney James Baker testified last fall he was told that Rosenstein said two Cabinet members would actually support removing Trump.) Maybe Bill Barr, the incoming AG, will finally can Rosenstein. That’s what I call “a good start”; there’s much more to do to restore confidence in the FBI. Barr has quite a job ahead of him to “raise the bar.”

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Oh, by the way, 60 MINUTES also gave McCabe and his wife, former candidate for Virginia state senator Jill McCabe, an opportunity to address campaign contributions totaling more than $675,000 –- an unheard-of amount for a statewide race –- given to her through Clinton crony and then-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe. They found it “disgusting” that President Trump connected the money with McCabe’s later involvement in the investigation into Hillary’s private server. But we never learned from McCabe why his wife received such an astronomical amount of campaign money. (Of course, even with all that money, his wife lost the race.)


“I believe I was fired because I opened a case against the President of the United States,” McCabe stated near the end of the interview. In response to one of Trump’s tweets about his firing, he said, “The idea that this President would know what ‘a great day for the FBI’ or ‘a great day for democracy’ was, is preposterous.” Upon reflection, it seems to me that having that whole crew gone would be a great day for both the FBI and democracy.


60 MINUTES obviously ran this interview for three reasons: 1) ratings, 2) to make Trump look bad, and 3) ratings. People who don’t have much background on what the FBI has been doing the past few years might think it made Trump look bad, but my opinion of McCabe and the other sad clowns who led the FBI is much more in line with that of political analyst Mark Penn, so I’ll let him take it from here. I’d say it’s a must-read, especially if you’ve just watched 60 MINUTES...



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  • Doug Johnson

    02/22/2019 11:59 PM

    When is President Trump going to drop the hammer on the fbi and the doj for not doing their job. If they get paid they should do what they swore to do. They haven’t, so when they are found guilty for not doing their job they should have to pay their salary back. That would be fair to the tax paying Americans.

  • bob peters

    02/19/2019 02:12 PM

    Anyone with half a brain has seen this coming for some time.
    On another note, Mike. I would like your opinion on where the US is when Gog & Magog (Russia, Turkey and Iran) attack Israel. It states that this army with it's allies will attack from all sides, and no one will come to Israel's aid. Even though God will destroy them, this bothers me very much that we will not be fighting along side Israel. So what is happening that we are NOT there? I would love your insights, please...thx

  • Ebbie Ebling

    02/19/2019 01:24 PM

    Gov Mike - Thanks for pointing out those facts for readers to think about in understanding these complex cases. The brilliant apologist Ravi Zacharias has said he's "Helping the thinker BELIEVE", but do people really want to THINK ABOUT and believe the TRUTH if it doesn't fit their political or personal agenda? TRUTH +MEDIA BIAS = FICTION / DECEPTION / RANTS / DIVISIVE AGENDA. Keep reporting the facts, telling the truth ... and the TRUTH will overwhelming win in the end. BOOM!

  • Bill Codner Sr

    02/19/2019 10:54 AM

    It seems to me that if McCabe had 21 years of sterling service as a Republican in the FBI, one of two things happened to him his 22nd year. Either his wife's getting in bed with Terry McCauliffe as a DemocRAT to the tune of 675,000 dollars in order to win a statewide senate seat or McCabe as a Republican, was a Deep State, Establishment RINO or both.
    McCabe's wife was running for a statewide senate seat that paid a paltry 29,000 dollars a year and the DemocRATS were willing to pay almost 700,000 dollars to make sure she won the seat she ultimately lost. Does that sound reasonable, inspiring or using funding in an acceptable manner? Why hell no. That money was intended to do something more sinister than getting Ms. McCabe elected to a statewide office. That was buying the future FBI Director.
    Many Republicans are RINOS and I suspect since Comey and McCabe were both in the Clinton camp, they were both Republicans in Name Only. These are the worst of the worst in Washington.
    President Trump did not meet their criteria as a politician who would sell himself to the highest bidder and they knew their days were numbered when a President of the People suddenly won an election the MSM and pollsters claimed impossible. There are plenty more like these bums in Washington and it will take years to root them out, fire them or retire them. God Bless Donald Trump.

  • Nellie Henderson

    02/19/2019 10:39 AM

    All of these people need to be put in jail - first of all Hillary Clinton and Comey, Macabe, Rosenstein, and all that were involved. Why can't we get this done???? If Barr does not do it right now when will it happen. I think Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted - not just for the Russian lies but also for Bengazi and Clinton Foundation and much more. She is not a special person but a liar, thief and a traitor!

  • Karen Lundgren

    02/19/2019 10:37 AM

    You are right on, Mike. I believe the whole upper administration of the FBI should have been fired for treason, by now. It was so obvious that the filthy corruption of the government was in full swing at the election of Obama for the second term. If Hillary had won, the corruption would have escalated even deep - deeper toward hell. It did not take a genius to know that the voting system was so polluted that the stench spelled deadly corruption in our government. I cannot tell you how grateful I am for God's leadership and mercy that is leading us out of that darkness in American history. I liken Donald Trump to King David of the Old Testiment: had glory moments in his young age, was given much but still succumbed to the side notes of godless behavior's, lusting after what does not belong to him, falling prey to the sin of ego self-entitlement (murder, in King David's story). But deep down, being groomed by God "for such a time as this." If Donald continues to grow in his dependence of God's full leadership in restoring righteousness and power to America, he will destroy the "swamp" of corruption and destruction in American government and help our country to become the "Beacon of Hope" to a hurting world of evil sin. Let us all pray for God's rule to uphold President Trump and give him the strength to keep on keeping on by gathering his wisdom and strength from God. The godlessness of the Obama/Clinton/Comey/FBI is no match for God. The rats will scatter as the light is shone on their darkness - as surely it will if President Trump remains under God's leadership. God bless our President and our country, and God bless you, too, Mike. (Note: A person's name and email address were still left visible to me when I clicked into this Comment section. I removed it immediately before giving this! I hope and pray my name and email will not be visible to the next commenter.)

  • Linda Olds

    02/19/2019 10:14 AM

    I hope that Barr can bring the Mueller investigation to an end, and get some liberal liars, like McCabe, put in prison.
    I think that the Mueller investigation was at least partly started to cover up the Democrats' illegal actions. The wrongdoers include not only Comey, McCabe, and Rosenstein, but Hillary and her people, and all the way up to Obama.
    The reason Rosenstein and others were smirking when questioned was that they thought they were protecting, and being protected by, the top Democrats.

  • A. D. Vinke

    02/19/2019 09:57 AM

    Can only read 25 of the 41 comments. Clicking on NEXT takes you back to the story.

  • Steve Turman

    02/19/2019 07:29 AM

    Bill Barr’s head is spinning about now! I hope and pray He has a strong stomach and that stench does not over power him. I really don’t understand why a man like him and at his age and time in his life would want to get neck deep in this swamp. His prior assignments in government give me pause, only because we do not know one very important piece of information. When did this disfunction start in DOJ and FBI. McCabe only proved it exist. Stinky,very STINKY!

  • Noel Hull

    02/19/2019 12:06 AM

    Hillary Clinton/FBI/State Department/Justice Department/Barack Obama=Insidious Collusion.

  • Bud Lidzy

    02/18/2019 11:11 PM

    Hi Governor. Here’s my take on what will shake. McCabe flapped his lips and the left did flips. Walked back his words so they wouldn’t look like tu**s. Public says okay but keep that stuff at bay. Declass of the FISA will make them wiser. Traitors in the end will surely slowly spin.

  • Steven Wilcox

    02/18/2019 08:44 PM

    Very good coverage Governor!
    Several things come to mind while watching this circus.
    1. For being career professionals, they all seemed to fall apart once Comey was fired.
    2. Rosenstein and McCabe wasted no time in throwing each other under the bus.
    3. Normally, in LE and Military, you do not call your boss/supervisor by their first name in public. Lack of respect.
    4. If they were so sure they had the president using the 25th Amendment, why record anything. Entrapment.
    5. I am sure any office at the White House is considered safe to discuss classified information. Making an unauthorized
    recording is in violation of classified information laws. They all seem to have no problem violating these.
    6. When I was assigned to D.C. back in the 80's, the FBI had a little bit of a bad reputation. Talk but it was there.
    I love our country. We have been so blessed to live in this country. I never in my life would have expected to see this
    taking place in the United States. May God have mercy on us.

    God bless you Governor

  • gary w

    02/18/2019 07:49 PM

    When a liar comes out of the woodwork voluntarily, it usually is to spread disinformation hoping to improve his position /legacy in a better light. McCabe is unbelievable before the 60 Minutes interview and he remains just that, UNBELIEVABLE! He is presenting an enticing avenue for yet another amateurish chase down a dark rabbit hole, for a nothing burger. He colludes with CBS/60 Minutes, hoping to distract from some greater failure. A rookie FBI Field Agent would not be found spilling such marginal tripe with such incessant gum-bumping. McCabe was over eager to share his well formed rubbish. Easiest interview for Pelley during the last decade. This is called "Draining the Swamp". Don't you just like it when the food chain crumbles and there at last are the cockroaches trying to spread a five star banquet with crumbs and dregs.
    This whole "Russian Investigation" (and we are not through with it yet ) is initiated by corrupt individuals, exposing corrupt individuals, embedded and weaponized within most every corrupt Washington institutional entity. Little did McCabe know he and Mueller's cronies would be turning stones to flush out and ferret out their own comrades of corruption. On silver dinnerware, President Trump is more and more exonerated and is conversely delivered the poisonous schemes, scams, and hostile associates. The silence is deafening from Comey, and other former FBI Directors, Hayden, Brennan, Panetta; plus the Clintons, Podesta, Lynch, Rice, Wassermann, Obama, etc.
    The only thing McCabe proves is when he opens his mouth, he can still change feet.

  • Patrick Kennedy

    02/18/2019 06:28 PM

    Bloodless coupe de tat wouldn't have happened, blood would have been spilled. But it shows you how close a police or military state is. President was good at recognizing a good military relationship when the executive branch itself believes it can take over. The president should take measures to close this portal of power off. The executive branch should be able to get funds from congress without begging. We need to hammer home this idea of a takeover and tell Mueller to pony up, see what you got, before you go further. This onslaught is not unlike Lincoln's assassination as Boothe yelled Tyrant as he broke his leg, ironic I guess. A few unelected people and hostile press should not be our next tyrant. And these constitutional convention people should not be able to open our constitution while we are so heavily divided. In Illinois we had one some years ago, big, big mistake and have been ran by gerrymandering and Chicag politics and tyrants since.

  • Hylon Heaton

    02/18/2019 05:54 PM

    Thank you for keeping me up to date on this unfolding story. Of course I wonder when we will see an end to the Muller probe and the tables turned on those who have tried to destroy his presidency. I long to see the real crooks brought to justice!!!!!!!!!!

  • bigbadjohn

    02/18/2019 05:28 PM

    I think we need to invoke the 22nd amendment to get DJT out of office!

  • Richard Oldenburg

    02/18/2019 05:01 PM

    You are so correct!!!

  • Elizabeth Lamb

    02/18/2019 02:51 PM

    I found the interview very puffball. He is a known liar and who can believe anything he says. Pelly never went into Lisa and Peter and all the emails. Never asked about any of the things that have come out since. Also, he never asked anything about Clinton and all her cronies and the illegal dossier on Trump. What a one-sided softball interview. Media is awful toward this President. I am disgusted with them and the FBI.

  • Bonnie Sappington

    02/18/2019 01:38 PM

    Good afternoon, Governor Huckabee. Thank you for giving us the rest of the story, and then Mr. Penn's final rest of the story. Sir, is everyone in the Federal Government a Hitler worshiper?? And now McCabe and Comey want to become gazillionaires by writing books. And they probably will, because there are millions of people stupid enough to buy them. And not one of them are going to have to go to jail. Or lose their pension. Or anything else that all the rest of us lowly Americans would have happen to us. That is the thing that really frosts my cookie!

  • Inez Schreiner

    02/18/2019 01:30 PM

    You are spot on about this. I watched the interview and I found McCabe more despicable than I thought he was! Pellet came across as a lightweight and never challenged McCabe on any of his answers. He should be in prison!

  • Kathleen Wood

    02/18/2019 01:24 PM

    What a shame! 60 Minutes has generally been well respected. A better program living up to their reputation would have been the in depth look at Mueller's 2 year investigation and the subsequent Senate report that there was absolutely no evidence found of Russia/Trump collusion. Then, reveal the truth of what has been found, the intentional lies and dossier by Democrats and HRC. Wow! They so missed their chance to be the big breaking news MSM! They could have/should have informed the American public and been the "go to" source for world news! Hmmm... makes me think Trump is right about them being the "enemy of the people" afterall.

  • Jerry Korba

    02/18/2019 01:20 PM

    PS Mike next time you see the picture of the dogs playing cards think how much fun those dogs are having compared to the left collection sitting in their sewer of hate and destruction. And please smile and laugh.

  • Jerry Korba

    02/18/2019 01:09 PM

    I must comment once more why did President Trump question the FBI DOJ CIA and all the other sterling heads of those departments Integrity. Look at the way these cartoon buffoons handle issues. They lie break the law they go against our country the same country they are to protect. What a mess all I can hope for now is Barr will be the man and begin incarcerating the swamp. The left continue to expose how our Educational System has failed they left so many books unread they passed just to get rid of them now we the American public get to deal with them. They are people no one wants. Can you for a minute imagine sitting with a Maxine Watters a Cory Booker Kamalia chuck Schummer Nancy Pelosi Blumenthal Dirty Dick Durban Jerry Nadler Beto don Lemon and the rest of that collection of misfits and have some wings and pizza and a lemonade? A big waste of wings Pizza and Lemonade I do believe that is what hell would be. You would be better off with a table of card playing dogs they would be much smarter and more fun.

  • Lisa Doig

    02/18/2019 12:47 PM

    Mike, how do we get these criminals into jail where they belong! I cannot believe how the left has evaded justice for their serious misdeeds including attempted coop (sp?), aiding our enemies and even murder of more than just our children! My prayers are for justice for the sake of our nation and repentance of these souls before it's eternally to late!

  • Beth Mulvihill

    02/18/2019 12:46 PM

    This is out right treason and he is not the only one! Why are these people allowed to walk freely on American soil?